82 – Stories of Language learners – Interview with Tchales from Brazil

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Let’s start. First question. So Tchales tell us who is Tchales?

Okay. First of all thank you much for having me on your podcast. It’s a huge honor for me to be part of your amazing project. I really love your podcast.

And so I am Tchales. I am from Brazil. I live in nice small town in the countryside south of Brazil, professionally, I am an accountant. I’ve been working in this industry for about eight years now but nowadays I am preparing myself to become an English teacher. This is a project for 2021. I want to help Brazilians to learn English and also I am a podcaster. I have a podcast called stories of language learners in a interview language learners from all around the globe. And these podcasts it’s a patient project that I started back in may of this year. And since then, I am having a blast connecting with people from different cultures and backgrounds and knowing their stories, how they learn languages, especially English.

And it’s so much fun. And I’ve been doing this since then okay. So a little bit of my journey with English. I basically started learning English back in 2015 when I decided to do a traditional course here in Brazil. But before that. Here in Brazil we do have English classes at school, but we usually just learn grammar and this kind of stuff.
I remember I’ve tried whether the way there from high school, I couldn’t speak in English at all, because at school at Brazil we just learn grammar and this kind of stuff, we don’t have actually speaking classes.

Yeah, it was the same here in Switzerland as well in my language journey.

Yes, this is so sad because this is their reality of a lot of people from other countries. Unfortunately we don’t have good education when it comes to being fluent and acquiring real English. So yeah, I decided to try and I started doing our course in 2015. I did one course from one year, and then I.
stopped then in 2016, I decided to try again and I did another course for about six months and then I stopped again and I realized I don’t want to just learn grammar and doing exercises. I wasn’t and motivated continue in these traditional courses. I don’t regret because I think that we. Do need to have a foundation of the language.
So learning the basics was really important for me, but truly I’m not a big fan of traditional courses. So, I stopped for one year. So basically in 2017 I didn’t study at all. And then in 2018 at a Saturday to start to study by myself and here I am today.

And what do you think Tchales, what do you think helped you the most in your English journey to become a confident English speaker? Was there something like a turning point or some sort of an aha moment that you had.

Yes. I would say that my turning point happened back in 2018. So as I said, I started learning English back into 2015 but until 2018 I was just learning the language passively. I was listening, I was watching things in English, I was reading but I never used English in a real life situation. So there are three things that I would like to mention that it was like a breakthrough in my learning journey in 2018. So the first thing it is a platform I used to have English classes with native English speakers. The name of this platform is called Cambly.

So for me as a shy person and also as an introvert it’s so hard for me to step out of my comfort zone. And that’s why I avoid for so long to start to speak into yours the language in an active way. I realized “no, this is not communicating in English. I need to do something if I really want to learn this language and if I really want to, speak using the language”. So I decided to join Cambly I was so terrified as I remember my first lesson until this day, I sat behind the computer for two hours before I clicked the button to call the instructure.

but once I did that, I started to feel more comfortable and more confident, little by little that was like a starting point. And then I realized that I couldn’t afford more for this class. So I used Cambly for three months in July of 2018. And in October of 2018, I joined a program called connect and communicate.
This program was created by Stephanie, the English coach. She’s a YouTuber and she has a lot of programs. And I joined this program and this was a lot of breakthrough in my English learning journey, because in this course I learned how to connect with people using social media and how to communicate using real English.
And I remember that when you enroll this course you’ll have access to our private Facebook group and Stephanie, she would always encourage us to connect with each other and to do partners calls. Actually we had some, it was like, a monthly task or like a challenge. So we would have to reach out to someone else and to have a call At first, I first was so terrified.
And so there was another breakthrough, my

if I understood correctly, so the first step was. With Cambly which is a one on one online lesson?
Yeah, it was, it was one on one
yeah. Okay. And you could decide on which topic you would like to improve. Okay. And then the second step was the program connect or the, the project connect in which you mainly connected with other learners and you just talked together, right?
Yes. And then there is the third one, which is meetup. I don’t know if you know what meetup is, but other people from a lot of countries, they use this app. It’s an online platform where you can meet people in real life.
Yeah, I used it before. I also participated on some sort of a language exchange.

Or Meetup it’s awesome. If you guys were listening to it right now, if you don’t know what meetup is, you should search about it. Unfortunately, nowadays, because of the pandemic situation, people are not meeting in real life, but I will say that communities they are still meeting online. So you still can find communities on meetup and you can connect with these people.
And back in November or December of 2018 I decided to join meetup because first I already had some classes with native English speakers and then with their connecting and communicate program I had some calls and conversations with people from other countries.

So I felt a little bit more confident with my English. So he decided to go to the next step which was to have real conversation with people face to face and I remember that I started to look for some communities on Meetup and I found a community that it was in a city super near from the house of my parents and I decided to give it a try. And I remember that I joined the What’sApp grew up of this community. And I talked with the founder of this community. The founder of this community is a guy from USA who lives in Brazil. And I said to hi – his name is Bruce- “Hey Bruce. I would love to participate but I’m so shy and so nervous how this meeting works and is there anyone there if I go tomorrow, I asked to him and he said to me “Oh, I will see for you right now, just a sec. “And then few minutes later he’s sent a message to me. Tchales, unfortunately we don’t have volunteers in there. But would you like to be a volunteer to help us in this community? And I said, what?
You mean to lead the group?
Yes, they didn’t have anyone to, to help them in that city because this guy he lives in another state. So this community is built by volunteers who give their time to help others to learn English and to improve their English as a whole.
And I said to him, so unqualified, I’m not the right person. And then I said to him, no, but I was happy. And I decided to do this as a challenge to keep improving my English. So. Surely, that was one of the best decisions that I have ever made in my English learning journey because at first was, so it was so daunting (discouraging, frightening) .

I remember that I would have to go to a strange city that I didn’t know. The city I would have to meet strange people that I didn’t know and I would have to speak in a strange language like in English. I was so terrified. Then I remember on XXXX day the first meeting that I went, one guy showed up.
And I was so nervous that I started to speak in Portuguese with the guy and he said to me, Hey man, we are here to practice English. Let’s speak in English. And then yeah. After that I stayed in this community for about one year and a half, helping them leading this new series and with the pandemic, I helped him, conducting some online meetings and then, yeah, this was my three turning points in my English
Yeah, this is really great. And I think that in general, the most difficult things or things that scares us, brings us the most furthest. It can boost our skills, but in the first place, we just have to step out of our comfort zone, which is not that easy. We all know that but sometimes we just have to take the action, you know?
It’s why I love like challenges. I’m sure that we are going to talk about some challenge but this really makes us to get out of our comfort zone and to give our best to reach our goal which is to speak fluently in a new language. So challenges are great too ways for us to improve
Yeah, I absolutely agree with you. So maybe we should move on to the next question if that is okay for you. So the question is what is your top tip for intermediate learners and above?
Okay. I’ll make a list here of some examples but I would say that my number one advice is

Use English actively

because I know that a lot of learners they are able to read to write, to listen and understand but they cannot speak, which is the hardest part of learning a new language.
So I would say that my number one tip is use your English actively as much as we can. And I had some examples here. Record your voice. This is so powerful because you can analyze your speech and you can improve your pronunciation and then you can auto correct yourself.
What do you mean by you can analyze your own speech how do we do that?
Because I feel like once I started to consume a lot information in English. Like as I said, I started learning 2015 and in 2018, I started to use the language in an active way. But before that my passive vocabulary, it was really good because I could understand like 99.9%. So when you are at a point that you are able to understand everything that you will listen if you record your voice, You will pick it up your errors because you’re passive will come learn.
It’s good. I hope that makes sense?
Yeah, that makes absolutely sense to me.
Awesome. Another example is use social media. So you can think about one platform that you love. For example if you choose Instagram, you can start a social media profile. On Instagram and then you can start to post in English. So for example, before I am a person who loves to talk about travel or nature or any interest that you have, you can start to produce content on social media record videos. Post pictures and write texts. And there is so much you can do using social media and commuting yourself to everyday posts. One thing in English. And also you can immerse yourself in the language by following people who share content on social media, in English, people who write in English, who makes video in English. And in this way you are. connected with the language. Also record videos if you are a person who are not shy and you feel like to record yourself you can start a YouTube channel and pick a subject, and it starts to record itself in front of a camera and make a YouTube channel or if you love your voice. Maybe you don’t love your voice but you are a podcast lover

and you would like to start a podcast. This is another example that you can use your English in an active way. And the last one it is join communities because this is something that I always say you don’t have to be alone in this journey.
With English, because it’s so hard and joining community it’s awesome, because you will have people who are going to support you in this journey. And you can talk with each other people, they understand your struggles, they can relate they are not going to judge you. And yeah. Connecting with people through communities is one of the best ways for you to use your English in a active way.

Daniel: Thank you Charles. These were all excellent examples and tips and. I just wanted to say the last one about communities also great. And I think it’s beautiful how you could build this community. For example you have this telegram community which is becoming more and more active but also the Zoom sessions that you are leading is just amazing.

And I think that you need to be passionate about all of this because it takes time of course to manage all of this and to lead the community. But, but it’s really great. I wish I had such a community like you have. It’s really great how you can build up on this.

Yeah.

Oh, thank you. Yeah I really encourage you because I’m sure that you have a lot of listeners who love to hear everything you have to say and people who would love to connect with you in a personal way, or maybe people who really want to find people to connect with to improve their English together. So you can use this platform that you have, we choose our party because then you can create a group and it’s hard putting these people together. And this is like I never thought that I would build a community out of this broadcast. But as I said, I had some little experience with the meetup community by leading zoom group calls and also in person.
And I decided to why not create something for myself, because this community that I was a part of, they just reach people in Brazil. So 99% of the people who participate in this meetup community are from Brazil. Well, it’s my podcast. It’s a global community. We have people from so many different countries that sometimes they cannot believe that.
I pull these people together and yeah, I’m so grateful because it’s so nice when I organize the video group calls and then I see people getting together and getting to know each other and practicing their English while having fun because there is something that I don’t do. Actually, I do not teach English, my podcast it’s ia advice podcast.
And when I. Decided to start to organize rope calls on zoom. I didn’t want to make that like a class because people are tired of learning grammar and doing classes. So I decided to do something fun, just put people together and making some questions in general for them to practice their English. So yeah, I really encourage you start a community.

You can use telegram

Daniel:

will give it a try and maybe you can give me some tips later. Yeah.

Yes. For sure we were talking before recording but we were talking that it’s a lot of work behind the scenes and I thought to myself I want to do this is a patient project. I want to help other people, but I am learning so much and I don’t want to make this content just for me or for one or two people. I want to reach people. I want other people to get inspired by these amazing stories.
And I want other people to hear this advice. So I’m going to try to learn about

Yeah. Yeah.
Marketing Sure. It sure enough. I learned by myself digital marketing and I have a little 1000 people on Instagram the ground

Wow. Yeah, it is amazing.

Which is insane. Yeah. As it’s really
amazing.

Yeah. And by the way, you have one additional patreon today. Because I joined your patreon today because,
Oh,

you inspire me so much that I decided to become a Patrion. And speaking of inspiration let’s jump to our next topic, which is inspiration because inspiration can be very, very powerful.
And also in the process of learning, because it gives you like a motivation boost. especially when this inspiration makes us more creative or sparkles a fire in us. And this could be writing stuff, recording yourself and whatsoever. So in my opinion, that can be powerful and even make you forget about your fears, for example.
So in this context I would like to know from you tchales who or what inspired you to create your stories of language learners, podcast.

Okay. So before I answer, I just want to say thank you so much
Oh, you’re very welcome.
on it means the world to me. Thank you. Okay. So the inspiration that I had behind this project was basically my journey with English. I remember that at the beginning of my English learning journey, I thought that hope would never be able to just speak this language because I thought it was too hard but the number one thing that I did when I first started learning English, it was to watch videos on YouTube, where people were talking about their experience learning English. So basically it was videos from a lot of people from Brazil speaking in Portuguese and sharing their stories. How do they learn what did they do and so on.
And. Surely watching that videos gave me like the boost that I needed to have to keep me going through the hardest times. And then when I decided to start this podcast was back in may of this year. And I realized that I had more free time because of the whole pandemic situation. And then, and I ama podcast lover
I spent so many time listening to podcasts. Yeah, podcasting’s

Daniel We have a lot in common Tchales.

Yes. And then I decided why not to? It was my extra free time that I have right now in start a podcast but I never thought you would start a podcast in English. But I thought to myself, I think that I’m going to try to start a podcast in English and the idea behind this podcast, it was to interview people who learned English or any other second language and hearing their stories and asking them for advice to inspire other learners who are struggling in the process of learning and new language. And yeah, basically that was my whole inspiration. And just a simple fact that I was able to connect and communicate with. People from other cultures and backgrounds using English, it was surreal for me and I fell in love with it.
And since now I am still doing this until today.
Daniel: Okay. And do you know of someone who you could inspire with your podcast? I mean, with the project in itself, maybe you can share a story that you know of.

Patt Flynn from Smart Passive income podcast inspired Tchales quite a bit

Yes. when I decided to start the podcast I had no idea how to restart or where to start, and I decided to use English to put this altogether. And I remember there are to look on the internet, how. We started a podcast and I found a guy, his name is called PatFlynn. He’s a huge influencer in the podcasting space.
And I found a guide online. And I followed all the steps and I started to listen to his podcast, which is called his smart, passive income. And his story was inspiring because I don’t know in detail 100%, but basically I remember that he said that I don’t know, 10 years ago he lost his job. And then he.
has started to think about something too, like have passive income. And he started this podcast is Mark tested income and he hated his voice. He wasn’t good at speaking, he was like super introvert. And now he is a huge podcast influencer. And I learned so much from this guy, you know and I am so grateful for everything that this guy produced on the internet.
So you guys should check it out. His podcast is called, is smart, passive income,

Daniel: Yeah, I know his podcast. I used to listen to it as well. But I think that was maybe two or three years ago. I can’t remember exactly, no, but Tchales, I wanted to know if you know of a story of someone who got inspired by you, I mean, for example, I think that I listened to one of your episodes in which you talked about something that one of your family members started out to learn English because of you, I think because he listened to your podcast.

Yeah, actually, when I started to use. My whole social media to share the content of my podcast. Some people of my family they started to reached out to me. Hey, Tchales are you, and you’re going to teach her now which I’m not yet, but 2021 for sure. And they started to ask me, there is one cousin who started to ask me a lot of advice to start learning and I sinned.
To him, a lot of resources. And it’s been a while since the last time that I talked with him, but sometimes I see he posting on social media, like making an Instagram your stories that he’s watching a videoto learn English or something like that, which is really amazing for me because. My family is huge. And I am the only one who speaks in English. And the reality here in Brazil, I don’t know about Switzerland, but here in Brazil, like from one to 5% of the population are able to speak.

Daniel: I guess in Switzerland it’s a bit different. I think that the younger generation speaks English well. Yeah. So, you conducted about 20 interviews and. My question now is there any particular language story that stood out of that and, maybe had a massive impact on you?

About 4 stories from “stories of language learners”

1. Yes, I have four of them and I am going to try to share super quickly. , so the first one is this, the first interview that I did with, Kamila from Rio de Janeiro Brazil, she was my first guest and I met her through a challenge that we do together and she could relate with my struggles because she’s a shy person and, I am also a shy person. And I remember that in one of our calls during the challenge, I said the one day, I think I will start a podcast. And if I start a podcast with all, for you to be the first guest, and she was my first guest in this.This episode is one of the most listen podcasts because like two shy people recording an episode of a podcast is speaking foreign language. So that episode was really amazing. And I saw season one, episode seven, I met Marty. She got a job. He was in English after six months. She started learning, which was incredible. I am terrified of going to his interviews. To speak in Portuguese. I can even imagine how it’s like to go to the interview in his speak in English. And she just with six months of learning English, since she got a job in an English school, which was really amazing.
2. And also season two, episode number three, I met some well, who is.And ESL instructor who is also an actor and singer, and he learned English basically with no money. Here’s a story it’s really inspiring because sometimes as we complain, I don’t think that I’m going to learn English because it’s too hard. But nowadays we have the, then we have so many resources where this guy at the time he started learning English because someone from the Church gave him a old book about learning English and this guy he would use every single opportunity that he had to learn English for free. And today he’s an ESL instructor, which Daniel: Did he appear on a Netflix series? Ooh. He was in a movie on Netflix. They talked to about his movie, which was really amazing.
3. In the last one, it is my last interview from Susan chew. The episode number 10 with, has made all this, she based school, learning English by herself, which is incredible. I can’t even imagine how it’s like to learn a new language from scratch with no one to guide you. I think that it’s super challenging and I really admire her for dead. And also she participated in a challenge, which she would have to have calls with other people in. And in one month she did almost 200. which is remarkable. Yes. So if you were to improve your English like today, participating in a challenge it’s really amazing because you can accomplish a lot in just 30 days. Can you imagine 200 calls in one month?

I can’t imagine that. Yeah. So thank you for, for these, uh, inputs. So is there any method or a tool that you could integrate into your language learning process? I mean, A mess, a mess that was mentioned by one of your interviews, maybe.

Shadowing

Yes. I wrote down here one is the specific technique that a lot of guests that I had in the podcast they shared with me which is shadowing for those of you who don’t know what she doing. Shadowing is basically when you choose someone that you want to sound like this person, and then you can start shadow this person.

So basically if you have a favorite YouTuber that you really love, the way that they speak, you can start to watch their videos and then stop and try to stay after them. What is said in the video. So this is basically shadowing and this is something that I heard before it starting to make my podcasts, but I never, started doing this until a lot of guests on my podcast started mentioning it over and over again.

Yeah. That is a great method. And I tried that one as well but not with YouTube videos instead. I used of course my favorite pet podcast episodes. So that was really amazing because I could also remember vocabulary and I could listen to the voices that I really like. Yeah. So thank you for that.
And another question is how could you, how could your podcast project support your learning process?

How podcasting helped Tchales to improve his English

Okay. So the first thing that by started my podcast influenced a lot. My journey with English was basically everything that I had to learn to put this all together. I used English, so when I first started, I started to look on Google and I found the guide from PattFlynn, which was a complete guide.

If some of you guys are interested in, look it up. So it’s how we start a podcast in 2020, the complete guide by Pat Flynn. His guide is phenomenal.

So. Yes. I used English to learn everything about podcasting. So I improved my English in general a lot also by creating online content on social media, by editing the interviews and writing the next took making posts in my speaking skills.

I improved so my pronunciation I improved a lot and if someone asked me Tchales how can I improve my speaking skills? I would say start a podcast or record yourself because this is powerful and I am living proof that this works and also. You know, interviewing other people is a whole, whole other skill.

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And Daniel you probably know about it. So sometimes it’s so hard, it’s so challenging. And I don’t even knew how to interview people in Portuguese. And I had to learn how to interview people in the English, which was so much more challenging. So I think that nowadays I am a little bit good at it, but yeah, it’s still I am improving. but yeah, I learned so much in my podcast, helped me a lot in my process of learning English, for sure.

Daniel: Thank you Tchales and I can absolutely relate to what you said right now. Because it was the same with me. I mean on my very first episode, I had to write down every single word because I could not speak freely. And now I can just speak whatever I want. Of course, I am not flawless but the communication is the most important thing.

Communication is the most importang thing!

So the next question is, I don’t remember exactly. I think it was in the interview with Stefanie, where you mentioned that two or three other fellow mates started out with a podcast as well. Maybe you could tell us more about it.

Yes, there are two people from the community that I know that they also start a podcast. And the first one it is Ly. She is from Vietnam and she started a project to also improve her English and to put information out there. And I talked with her once. I guess, and it wasn’t in the challenge, but we had a really amazing conversation.

And then I was so happy when I saw that she started her own project, which is amazing. Um, also there is another community called English takeover community. This community is created by a lot of English teachers from a lot of countries. And they had also a podcast it’s English Takeover where you have a podcast as well, which is really.

Daniel: Okay, great. Yeah it’s really great. How at a program or a course can inspire people and then they make their own podcast. I have experienced that as well in my language journey that. That other people also started out with their podcast. And for example, there is the podcast called Zdenek’s English podcast, and I think he has produced almost 400 episodes, which is incredible.

Yeah. You are a big fan of challenges and you mentioned it on episode 10 of your second season but of course you mentioned it before as well. first thing that comes to mind to me is a challenge in which you make a video of yourself and upload it on a social media platform. Can you tell us a bit more? And it would be interesting to learn how we can make the best out of a challenge.

How challenges can boost your English

Yeah. So the challenge that I talked about is called the fluency breakthrough challenge. And this challenge was created by Stephanie, the English coach. She’s the same one that I mentioned before about the program that I did connect and communicate, and this challenge thoroughly, it’s incredible. I already participated three times.

Basically this challenge, it’s a 30 day challenge that is Stefanie runs on Instagram to run and she will have tasks to complete during 30 days. The last one, I think I paid $15 but the main task of this challenge is to have calls with people from around the world. And I had so many amazing and incredible calls with people from so many different cultures and backgrounds and each one of them, I think I did at least 20 calls.

And this challenge, it’s not just for you to improve your English but this challenge will help you to connect with new friends. So basically these people they are strange at first but then they turn into your new friends that you can still keep in touch. And a lot of people that I met through the fluency breakthrough challenge first edition.

Back in July of 2019 I still keep in touch with them and we used to sometimes do calls and some of these people from this challenge they were interviewed on my podcasts yeah. I really encourage people to participating challenges but you’ll need to commit yourself because for sewer pain, second, if we’re really serious to improve your English, then go for it, give your best and try to complete all the tasks or maybe try to complete as much as you can.

And about doing calls something that I would like to meet is be proactive. There are some tasks that you will have to reach people to have calls don’t wait for people to reach out to you be the first one be kind look to their profile send a nice message and then invite them to have a call. And because a lot of people they participate in this challenge and they are wating for someone else to talk with them first.

But no, if you are really serious about improving your English be the first one who are going to send a message and a lot of misconception that a lot of people think, Oh why, I’m going to join challenges to improve my English with other learners. They are going to make my English worse no, they wont.

Because a lot of times you will talk with people who have a higher level, so you can learn from them and sometimes you will talk with people who have a lower level, and you can teach this people. And when we teach this is an amazing way for us to improve our skills with English.

Daniel: So let’s move to the next question Tchales and speaking of challenges. In one episode of stories of language learners, you mentioned something like people sometimes think that they have to pay something in order to learn, but actually with the internet, we could acquire any skill. So could you tell us more about it and I mean would you recommend to take physical classes in these days?
For example,

Yes, I would highly recommend if people can afford to take some classes. I think they are important, especially if you are at the beginning of your learning journey of a new language. I mentioned the stories of Esmeralda’s isn’t it all this who learned by herself, which was really remarkable, but I don’t think I could like learn by myself since the beginning from scratch.
I mean, I probably, I would learn, but I will say that you have someone to guide you at the beginning you will learn faster. Because there are some instructors, I believe that you should build a foundation of learning a new language and another thing that, yes, we do have so many resources online that we can use to learn anything.
So, as I already mentioned, and I had these examples, for example, to put my podcasts all together, I learned everything using English for free, like by reading articles, by watching videos on YouTube. And, also when it’s specific examples that are also have here, it’s about social media Marketing. I learned everything that I needed to learn to share the content on my podcast through.
Listening to the podcast.

Yeah, I think you just need to be passionate about it and be engaged and then you will learn but it is you that has to learn because in my opinion, there is this misconception that people sometimes believe only because they attend a school or a class that they will automatically learn English or becoming fluent but that is just not true because in the end it is you yourself that has to make the effort.
Yeah.
Yeah, I couldn’t agree more because a lot of programs online or in person teachers or the creators of these programs they will give you all the resources, the methods and the tools for you, in order for you to be good at it and to learn you will have to give your attention your time.
You have to be dedicated.
Great. now let’s head to my favorite question because well Tchales, one thing that I noticed is that in your episodes, you tell again and again, that you are a shy and introverted person. And that it is difficult to communicate for you or it was difficult for you to come out of your comfort zone and by the way, I like that we can learn about a lot of tips and tricks for shy persons in your podcast. So the question basically is, did you lose a bit of your shyness during your language journey? And if so how did you do
that?,
So basically how I do it is, is by exposing myself in getting out of my comfort zone. So I really like to mention that I’m a shy person and sometimes people don’t believe that I’m a shy person because they say Oh, you don’t seem like a shy person. But I think that I developed this skill when I am speaking in English that I don’t seem super shy because I had been speaking in the English way now actuvely for, I don’t know, the past one year and a half or maybe two years. So I developed these skill and yeah by exposing myself and getting out of my comfort zone these was the key for me to overcome the shyness. So some of the examples was by calling people through the connect and communicate his course with Stefanie in having calls with these people and having classes on Cambly with native English speakers and being a volunteer on Meetup meetings. And so when I look back, I cannot believe that I was able to do all of this in English. So this is like a barrier. That we as language learners, we need to break and once you’ll break that barrier you will feel more confident and more comfortable every time that you will have to use the language again.
So, yeah, I would say to our shy listeners, qho are listening to us, I know expose yourself and try to get out of your comfort zone. This is the key to overcome shyness.
Thank you. basically you lost your shyness a bit, and obviously you mastered the English language you conducted about 20 minutes. Interviews with native and non-native English speakers. And the second season just ended, but still Tchalles. You are podcasting about a language learning topic.
So don’t just think it’s time to move on and cover another topic on a new podcast or something like that.
That is an excellent question and I was thinking about it yesterday. And for now stories of language learners is a passion project that I hope that it can continue doing this as much as I can. And yeah, these all started because they wanted to connect with people. I wanted to keep improving my English and I wanted to also help others.
And this is something that I will continue to do. And about maybe changing the subject right now. I don’t think that I could because my life’s kind of crazy. I don’t have so much time to start another project but this one, I will keep doing it. But I will say that now that I’m planning to start to teach
english here in Brazil. I was thinking maybe starting a podcast in Portuguese for English learners in Brazil but this is just an idea right now, but it will be still about English which this is a passion and yeah, I don’t think that I would start a podcast about onother thing yet, but yeah.
then we are lucky because we can, we can listen to more episodes. So thank you very much, Dallas. And the last question would be now where can we find you and get to learn more about you? And do you have anything you want to share with our listeners before we wrap this up?
Yes, you guys can find me on Instagram. stories of language learners will also in any news platform, you can type in stories of language learners. I would love to connect with you and okay. I would say for the learners out there, please don’t give up. It’s not easy but the simple fact that you are interested in learning this language, which is so important. English nowadays can open so many doors and opportunities. No one give up. If you already started it don’t give up. And something that I always say is have a goal, because if you have a goal, the probability that you will reach,this goal it’s higher because you will stay motivated for the hardest times and be consistent because if you like try to use English every day for five or 10 minutes, the results will show. And one last thing this is a long life journey. Don’t think that you are going to be fluent in three months or in six months, which is so sad when I see advertising about it, because this is a long life journey. I am still working on my English every day I learn something new in my own native language, which is Brazilian Portuguese, I always learned something new as well. So don’t expect to learn everything before it starts connecting with people or using the language in an active way. This would be my final thoughts.
Very much Tchales. These are really great points, really great inputs to wrap this episode up and thanks again for being part of my fluent podcast.
Thank you so much for inviting me and for reaching out to me I really, really appreciate it. It’s honor to be part of your podcast and I hope you can continue on doing this. Your podcast is really amazing. I will continue keeping touch with you and you will be on
my podcast. Like
I’m looking forward to. Say
it wo everyone!
To everyone that yes, I can wait for us to record our interviews.
So guys stay tuned because in season three, Daniel, it’s going to be on my podcast.

Thank you very much Tchales. It was a blast to chat with you. And thank you listeners for tuning in to my fluent podcast. It’s great to have you on board of this language journey. I am Daniel. And if you liked this interview and if you like learning vocabulary through podcasts, then you might also like my other show called the vocab man.
See you soon. Bye.

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